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Post by Kyle20 on Mar 19, 2006 14:46:47 GMT -5
Let's just talk about Next-Gen systems here. Try not to go off topic. I'm sure "Console Wars" is on everyone's mind when coming to this thread. Which system will be best? What game developers will shine? Your opinions go here.
In Game Informer, they had a Console Wars article, sorting out Pros and Cons of all of the Next-Gen consoles. From their points, it looks like Rev and PS3 will outmatch 360. And I agree. Rev and PS3 will probably be equal, both beating 360. Or atleast, that's how it will be at January of 2007. 360 could come back, but it looks doubtful.
Reasons being, 360 is doing pretty bad with games lately. Almost (ALMOST! Don't start hitting me with exception examples) all of the 360 games are either Shooters, Fighters, or games that are also released for the other consoles including the original Xbox. They need a bigger variety of games.
The console itself wasn't perfect. They shouldn't of released so early. It didn't exactly give them the perfect lead. Plus, they ran out of console supply in stores! That didn't score them anything, including the console was expensive and scratched discs.
Revolution is claimed to release between June and Thanksgiving. This could give it an "early but not too early" start. The Nintendo fanbase is remarkbly huge, and all of the famous game series will be back. The Virtual Console is attracting old school fans too. Most of the series will become bigger and better with online features too! Then again, the controller seems to suck, and limits control to certain game genres. The Rev will also have less graphical and audio powers than the other two consoles.
As for PS3, things are looking good. No real big negatives. It will probably release the latest, but the power of this next generation looks great. It doesn't have as many long-running, famous series as Nintendo does, but it will have great returns like Jak, Ratchet, and other well known series like Splinter Cell and MGS. The controller will probably feel weird though. It's practically a boomerang. Sadly, PS3 will also be expensive.
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Post by Cutter on Mar 19, 2006 16:04:29 GMT -5
About the 360's launch...You mentioned that most games are being released on the original X-box or other consoles. The same thing happened with the DS. You got GBA ports with tacked-on DS features, and you called it next-gen.
Then the good games started coming out. I'm guessing that the same thing will happen with the 360, crap in it's first year, then it starts getting good. I mean, I don't see ANY GBA ports coming out on the DS anymore. We probably won't see any mediocre X-box ports on the 360 after a while.
The Revolution. Let's see. Low price, good. Online, about time. Controller? Hell yes. Virtual console? Well, we don't enough info on that yet.
The Revolution's main downside will probably be the brute force in the hardware department. It'll just be step up from last-gen, but not as dramatic as the 360 or the PS3. They'll look nice, but won't reach the competition's level of detail. Did I mention that Nintendo had better not fuck up the online service? If we have to use bloody friend codes on the Revolution...
But games. Well, the standard is lower on the Revolution, presentation-wise. So, game developers won't need huge budgets to make a game. Or, that's the theory. We'll have to see how that turns out. So far, no actual game info.
PS3...Well, the controller is kinda scary as it is. And the price? As I see it, it won't be successful. But that's just me. Most of the "gameplay footage" looked more like CGI cutscenes. The MGS4 trailer? If it was in engine, the real-time models won't have that level of detail. Hell, the same with all the other trailers. It doesn't matter if it's in-engine or not, just give us some damn gameplay footage!
But hey, Sony did the best last time around, so they'll probably do the best this time around. Only time will tell.
Aaaaannnnnd...That's Cutter's opinion on next-gen thus far.
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Post by Kyle20 on Mar 19, 2006 16:18:12 GMT -5
Careful Cutter....Gen's gonna be on us about "biased" crap. Maybe if we sneak away....Gen won't see us..
Seriously though, I'm trying not to be biased. And I know, 360 lovers, I didn't list ANY positives about 360 in my post. That's cause I don't got much info about 360. Why don't you guys tell me some positives about 360 besides graphics, and blowing the shit out of things?
....wait? You like the Rev. controller, Cutter?
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Post by 8bitbluemage on Mar 19, 2006 16:19:39 GMT -5
So do I. It looks unique.
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Post by Cutter on Mar 19, 2006 16:23:25 GMT -5
I don't believe I was being baised.
And yeah, I like the controller. If you don't, just plug the remote into a traditional controller shell, and quit whining. I'd also like to see how the controller is used, aside of the obvious ways. (like aiming for FPS', using it as a mouse, ect)
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Post by 8bitbluemage on Mar 19, 2006 16:28:06 GMT -5
Cutter's right. He wasn't being biased(or at least he wasn't trying).
Oh, and I'm also interested in the Res. remote.
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Post by Gen Gravy on Mar 19, 2006 16:33:21 GMT -5
I don't need to prove the 360 is better, so I am not even going to bother. To let me put it bluntly:
PS3: Will try to rely on Killzone 2 and Final Fantasy titles to out do everyone, but will fail because of games like Gears of War, DOA4, Halo 3, and 360's RPG game: Morrowind: Oblivion.
Rev: Nothing all that interesting. Plumbers and bounty hunters get old after the remake of the remake of the remake of the first title. Interesting controller, but not a true breathrough. Gonna have online play, but all the other stuff had that before they did, and this also means that no one will know how reliable the online system will work out. Downloadable stuff is also nothing new. Only a diehard Nintendo fanboy item.
360: American made. Chinese produced. Got off to a rocky start, but the realistic games with excellent srorylines (Kameo, DOA4, Quake 4, etc.) will help it in the end. Halo 3 will put it in its place, and it will take a lot of work and creative ideas for games for the PS3 and Rev to beat 360 in the homeland.
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Post by Cutter on Mar 19, 2006 16:44:27 GMT -5
I believe that you underestimate the Revolution and PS3. The PS3 will have greater hardware than the 360, but will cost tons more. The Revolution has a cheaper price, and will appeal to non-gamer audience. (That's the theory)
The 360 was rushed out the door, IMO. It's fine the way it is, but it just doesn't seem like it was worth the global launch. And Japan hates it. Why bother, Microsoft? It has the next-gen graphics and the great online from last time around, but there aren't any games that interest me at all. Other than Halo, of course.
Plus, something I don't like about either the PS3 or the 360. Games costing $60. Ouch. Will the Revolution games cost this much? I hope not. And once again, Gen, the PS2 was the most successful of the 3 consoles last time around. It has the biggest fanbase. Don't brush the PS3 aside.
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Post by Gen Gravy on Mar 19, 2006 16:50:19 GMT -5
Japan loved it for DOA4. And PS3 is going to be squat because it relies too much on Final Fantasy and RPGs. All RPGs have generic enemies. Name one RPG that doesn't have a Goblin as the weakest enemy?
And you can't really appeal to non-gamers because they are probably non-gamers for a reason.
And what did you expect about the price? They need to make profit, and profit is important to game companies. With no profit, it goes under because it was making not enough money, and was spending too much on creation and devolpment. If Rev sells its games for less that $55, then they will start losing money if they put a lot of technology into their system.
And PS2 only had the biggest fanbase because of Final Fantasy. Kingdom Hearts was a spin-off of that, and shows that Sony relies on FF far too much.
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Post by White-Jet on Mar 19, 2006 17:40:17 GMT -5
Does Command Mission count?
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Post by Corvus on Mar 19, 2006 18:12:19 GMT -5
Well one saving grace is that when it comes to controllers,Nintendo has never led their fanbase wrong,the SNES was one of the best controllers about,then came the N-64 beauty,took a bit of handling to get used to but by god it worked wonderfully and comfortably,then the Gamecube controller,weird looking but easy to get a handle on,just lacking a good D-pad but few games used it for more than quick menu selects.
I`ve seen the 360 pushing its limits,complete with slow-down issues in the graphics and was wholly unimpressed,it dosen`t look like a huge jump from some high-end titles of the previous consoles,just a lot more filters and glitz to take attention away from it.The Revolution shall be fun,thats more than expected with a new line of Metroid Primes,Zelda,Mario all the classic franchises that still epitomize the best of their genre along with plenty of innovation,one thing Nintendos always been good at,trying new things.
With the PS3,well it`ll be fun with a huge range of titles from good to absolute crap,it really won`t change a lot of things as far as the console wars go but at least the revolution and PS3 will heighten the graphical scale and give us something grand..I mean Drakengard 1 had empty battlefields from technology issues,with the PS3s technology behind it,by god the whole screen could have been filled to the brim with opponents ready to bleed on your blade.
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Post by Kyle20 on Mar 19, 2006 20:58:37 GMT -5
I'm just saying, try not to biased in the future, like Gen is RIGHT NOW to the 360!
I like the controller, but it's only gonna be good on certain games. Rev games will end up being $50 bucks for new games,and probably $40 for old. I also like the fact it will be cheaper. 360 is expensive, and PS3 will be even. But c'mon Gen, give us a break. You know well that Rev and PS3 will be as good as 360, if not better. 360 needs to pick up it's effort with the games.Ir's starting to get better, but they need REALLY good games. Popular ones. That's what Nintendo and Sony have. A big fanbase. Popular games.
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Post by Almightynam on Mar 19, 2006 21:14:26 GMT -5
I think that I'm going to reserve all judgement until I play games on the consoles.
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Post by 8bitbluemage on Mar 19, 2006 21:15:02 GMT -5
Me too.
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Post by Kyle20 on Mar 19, 2006 21:35:06 GMT -5
Well, you can play 360. Have either of you played it before?
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